In this episode of Big Strong Yes, story expert Lani Diane Rich and researcher Dr. Kelly Jones find themselves in different places on their paths as they talk about saying yes to no, difficult conversations and people from Shonda Rhimes’s Year of Yes.

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Big Strong Yes is a Chipperish Media production by Lani Diane Rich and Dr. Kelly Jones, and is released under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-Sharealike license.