In this episode of Big Strong Yes, story expert Lani Diane Rich and researcher Dr. Kelly Jones discuss creative communities, subversive gladness, and the ticklish joy of paradoxes as they finish up Part 3: Permission in Elizabeth Gilbert’s Big Magic.

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