In this episode of Big Strong Yes, story expert Lani Diane Rich and researcher Dr. Kelly Jones take on the rumble in Chapter 5 of Dr. Brené Brown’s Rising Strong, and tangle with lovability, divinity and using “bitch” as a term of endearment.

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Big Strong Yes is a Chipperish Media production by Lani Diane Rich and Dr. Kelly Jones, and is released under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-Sharealike license.